Monday, April 17, 2006

I recall an annecdote I read online when I consider the process of cleaning my penis: a woman who planned to keep her child intact in a country where routine infant circumcision rates are absurdly high (the U.S.) and who was, thus, rather unknowledgable on the exact anatomical why and wherefors of the foreskin asked her doctor what equipment she would require to clean her son's foreskin.

His response was a shrug and the words "Common sense."

I was reminded of it as, for one of the first times, I washed myself off because he was precisely right. The vast fuss made over it by the pro-circs appears totally unwarrented to me for two simple reasons: firstly the minute quantities of smega actually produced and secondly the immense ease with which I could wash any such substance away.

Perhaps it is true that my example of myself might be far too annecdotal to be reliable but the manner required to remove the supposedly dreaded stuff was far too simple for any of their arguments to hold much water. Even that argument made by that otherwise impeccably logically sound gentleman Dan Savage that circumcision makes affairs much more deservedly easy and pleasant for that most undeserdly maligned group, cocksuckers, is rather erroneous since basically you can wash the stuff away without a worry.

The process is actually so simple, not to mention obvious, that I feel rather silly describing it on this blog, but I suppose my duty is to inform so for all of you lacking in the doctor's advised trait here goes: get near to the water source before peeling the skin back and ensure that the water is of the right temprature before you start. This temprature should be around lukewarm, no colder than that (just because that would feel freezing) but not too much hotter either because that could end up scolding you. Do not give yourself a full-on blast with the power-shower unless you want to be stinging for the rest of the week. If you do then go for it but prepare yourself for some major desensitivisation. Instead just cup a palm and wash it over between the head and wipe the remaining residue off with a sponge or perhaps your foreskin. If you are in the bath then as long as it is the right temprature you can just submerge.

There, anything that actually genuinely came as a suprise there? If so to be honest I believe you should reconsider having children anyway...

In fact last night the whole thing felt superfluous anyway since there were only a few faint traces of smega, it seems since my large scale washing the stuff has mostly subsided although it will be doubtless be back at some point. No spurt yesterday, more of a gush. To be honest I think my opening had offered a little too much lube, it was gaping rather heavily but that seemed kind of cute to me.

P.S. I seem to have accquired something of a collaborator: R found this site through Wikipedia (as did, it seems, all of you readers except for one friend of mine) and suffers from similar problems. Unlike me however he seems to believe the Glansie might be the solution to all of his woes and has ordered one which will arrive within in a week or so.

He has given me permission to post up information about his progress and will be providing it for me once the device arrives. I shall let you know all that he allows me on the issues of how effective the tool is in widening his opening and whether poking that thing around along the glans hurts as much as I suspected it would...

18 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think you're right about everyone finding your blog through Wikipedia...

Interesting reading, glad to know I'm not the only chap experiencing this little problem. I've been using a somewhat different method to you for about a week and a half, having some luck but not sure ... 'cos of course, you really want to know, right?

Good luck with it, I for one will be avidly following your progress!

1:06 PM  
Anonymous anonymous (again) said...

Now I feel slightly stupid leaving a second comment so quickly after the first, but I intended to mention one thing in my previous comment while I was reading your blog, and evidently forgot by the time I got to the end.

But yeah, I find it freakin' hurts to touch the exposed glans!! You seem to be quite enjoying it though. Any thoughts?

As an fyi for any other phimotics reading this, I've found that touching it gently either submerged in a warm bath or with some lubricant/shower gel is less painful. Just washing the latter off hurts like hell.

1:10 PM  
Blogger Revamp said...

"I think you're right about everyone finding your blog through Wikipedia..."


Well I suppose there is no other source that I know of...


"Interesting reading, glad to know I'm not the only chap experiencing this little problem. I've been using a somewhat different method to you for about a week and a half, having some luck but not sure ... 'cos of course, you really want to know, right"


Well some details would be nice if you are offering... You appear to be far from the only one though so know need whatsoever on that one: by my count there are six sufferers who have been brave enough to post considering the possibility of them even finding this thing it means that there are probably a fair few.

Actual empirical evidence seems to support this too, yay.


"Good luck with it, I for one will be avidly following your progress!"


Well thank you very much.


"Now I feel slightly stupid leaving a second comment so quickly after the first, but I intended to mention one thing in my previous comment while I was reading your blog, and evidently forgot by the time I got to the end."

Blame Blogspot.

They really should have encorporated in an edit feature by now, it is a fairly basic webtool. As you might be able to tell by now they do not do a quote function for comments either.

Still, they provide free, quick and easy blogs for nothing so surely it would be churlish to complain?

"But yeah, I find it freakin' hurts to touch the exposed glans!! You seem to be quite enjoying it though. Any thoughts?"


Well I am not really enjoying the pain!

I am far too wimpish to be a maschocist frankly, but rolling foreskin along does not hurt if you are doing it right since it is fully lubed up and that is a just plain awesome sensation.

"As an fyi for any other phimotics reading this, I've found that touching it gently either submerged in a warm bath or with some lubricant/shower gel is less painful. Just washing the latter off hurts like hell."

Interesting idea! I am fairly content with my current procedure but it sounds like another pleasurable approach. As it is though I have basically got something which causes me no pain at all which makes it preferable IMO, maybe you could give it a try.

7:00 PM  
Anonymous same anonymous said...

Ok, well as I'm basically anonymous, I'll give you the gory details.

I contacted an organisation called NORM-UK (www.norm-uk.org) after discovering my condition, and they gave me a method for curing this. It basically involves pulling the foreskin back as far as it comfortably goes. I've been at it nearly two weeks, I can basically retract it over the flaccid glans with minimum discomfort (and none if I'm in the bath), it's clearly still too tight, however. I've not masturbated since I began this (been at my girlfriend's for a while, and our 'relations' are on a break, won't go into why), so I'm not sure if that'll do much to help.

I've considered the method you're using, but haven't found much specific information about it. The page you linked to in the first post of this blog was kinda vague, really. I also have no lubricant to use, and have the misfortune of sharing a bedroom. However, as I mentioned in my first comment, the bath is my private time. Last time I was in there I managed to actually retract it over a full erection, but around the widest point it's clearly too narrow. Still, that should come with some more time, I figure.

Do you have any more specific information on the Beaugé method? I figure it's worth a try for myself. The method I'm using isn't painful as such, just hurts to touch the exposed glans. I was informed, however, that with careful handling under warm water, this sensitivity will decrease. I've found this to be true, ish, but I have only handled it a couple of times. I can touch it in the bath if I don't slide my finger over it. If I do that, it freakin' hurts.

"I am far too wimpish to be a maschocist frankly, but rolling foreskin along does not hurt if you are doing it right since it is fully lubed up and that is a just plain awesome sensation."

Agreed. As I said, I've not used any lube, but it feels damn good with just water, too.

2:16 PM  
Blogger Revamp said...

"Ok, well as I'm basically anonymous, I'll give you the gory details."


Thanks, the testimony of men in similar situations is rather comforting, not to mention fascinating.


"I contacted an organisation called NORM-UK (www.norm-uk.org) after discovering my condition, and they gave me a method for curing this. It basically involves pulling the foreskin back as far as it comfortably goes. I've been at it nearly two weeks, I can basically retract it over the flaccid glans with minimum discomfort (and none if I'm in the bath), it's clearly still too tight, however. I've not masturbated since I began this (been at my girlfriend's for a while, and our 'relations' are on a break, won't go into why), so I'm not sure if that'll do much to help."


Wow, great site! Thanks for sharing that, I shall post a link up to it on the main BB. That sounds a highly similar method to the one I was using and I noticed that if I continued after falling flaccid I made as much, if not more, progress so basically we have been doing the exact same thing at times.

I am glad that it has been working for you and I hope the tightness ceases one way or another.


"I've considered the method you're using, but haven't found much specific information about it. The page you linked to in the first post of this blog was kinda vague, really. I also have no lubricant to use, and have the misfortune of sharing a bedroom. However, as I mentioned in my first comment, the bath is my private time. Last time I was in there I managed to actually retract it over a full erection, but around the widest point it's clearly too narrow. Still, that should come with some more time, I figure."


Lubricant is not really neccessary, you could probably obtain it in some form (early on I used Olive Oil) but I abandoned it fairly quickly once I worked out that warmth and natural lubricants were perfectly sufficient. I never really use the bedroom much, mainly due to the extra mess produced by the spurts and partially because although I do not share my bedroom has no lock, alas.

I know what you mean by the narrowness: this will probably itself out as the foreskin loosens up, so not to worry.


"Do you have any more specific information on the Beaugé method? I figure it's worth a try for myself. The method I'm using isn't painful as such, just hurts to touch the exposed glans. I was informed, however, that with careful handling under warm water, this sensitivity will decrease. I've found this to be true, ish, but I have only handled it a couple of times. I can touch it in the bath if I don't slide my finger over it. If I do that, it freakin' hurts."


Basically Beaugé's big idea was that phimosis is either caused, maintained or both by boy's masturbatory patterns. He theorised that if they began acting as the majority of young men did their tightness and all associated afflictions might fade. His studies with his patients (it proved an easy enough experiment to test for some reason...) showed that his theory had been correct at least as far as easy, unradical cures were concerned.

The method mainly involves utilising the technique that unafflicted wankers worldwide use: the pump. You are probably at least fairly familiar with it because during my adolescence at least there were about seven billion references to it and it even became a widely used hand gesture.

It is a fairly simple motion with entails getting a grip around the shaft (normally with the fingers going underneath the head but really just go for whatever is most comfortable while still doing the required job) and then moving the hand steadily up and down to bring the skin as far up as it will go and then as far down by pulling the skin back and forth around the head. Just slide it back up and then pull it as far down as it can go without causing you too much discomfort to tolerate.

Nothing too complex but it gradually pushes out the boundaries you can bring the skin to, you may also want to try prising it down gently with your fingers and see whether this helps your efforts.

"Agreed. As I said, I've not used any lube, but it feels damn good with just water, too."

My standard technique now just involves rubbing the foreskin along the head with no water or any other substance except the internal glans lube the body provides. It works well enough for me but if you are finding the other method you mentioned a lot more pleasurable then I would stick with it.

Sensitivity is an interesting issue: I reckon that just exposing the glans on a regular basis will cause it to desensitise to some extent and heated water even more so. Although right now it hurts to touch I wonder if this process is beneficial overall, I get a lot of pleasure from it right now and if sensitivity decreases too much I fear that this level of enjoyment may fall as well... It is a little bit of a dilemna all in all.

8:33 PM  
Anonymous anonymous (I need to get myself a username) said...

It is a fairly simple motion with entails getting a grip around the shaft ... Just slide it back up and then pull it as far down as it can go without causing you too much discomfort to tolerate.

(cut the quote for briefness) The method you described (of masturbation, I mean) sounds basically what I've been doing all my life (well, four years or so. Y'know what I mean). Still, I figure I could pull it back further than I would usually when I'm doing that,so I'll give that a go over a few days and let you know.

Thanks, the testimony of men in similar situations is rather comforting, not to mention fascinating.

Definitely .. reading your blog has been, as you say, a comfort. While the chaps at Norm-UK reassured me the problem is very common, it's good to have actual evidence of that, if you get me. I don't know about you, but I was quite shaken to find that my definition of a normal penis was, until two weeks ago, totally different to 95% of the population's.

Since I can now manage it without the assistance of any heat it was of little suprise to me that I could retract my foreskin after it had been soaked in the warmth of a bath with ease.

I believe that my post below actually overcomplicated the process of cleaning: it is really just a matter of folding back while submerged for a moment or two and then rolling back and as soon as you can say "Circumcised kids are cleaner" everthing is sorted.

Really. That's it.


Just figured I'd leave a comment on this one ... the words "common sense" definitely apply. TBH til a few days ago I'd never encountered smegma or anything like that, and I noticed it vanished after I submerged and retracted. Good stuff, eh.

Question: do you find that the first time you try to retract it (when flaccid, in my case) on a given day, it's quite tight; but after a couple of retractions, it loosens up quickly? If I've stretched it a couple of times that day, when it's flaccid it's basically normal, just a wee bit tight around the widest part.

2:33 AM  
Blogger Revamp said...

(cut the quote for briefness) The method you described (of masturbation, I mean) sounds basically what I've been doing all my life (well, four years or so. Y'know what I mean). Still, I figure I could pull it back further than I would usually when I'm doing that,so I'll give that a go over a few days and let you know.

Oh, well basically I had not which seemed to be at least partially the root of my woe. If that it what you have been up to anyway then I guess the other method would work a lot better for you but like you said try pulling it a bit and see how you go...


Definitely .. reading your blog has been, as you say, a comfort. While the chaps at Norm-UK reassured me the problem is very common, it's good to have actual evidence of that, if you get me. I don't know about you, but I was quite shaken to find that my definition of a normal penis was, until two weeks ago, totally different to 95% of the population's.


I suppose it is just that it is harder to hear that there are plenty of people in the same situation as you are and be settled than to actually talk to someone with the same (or at least similar) problems.

I was a little suprised that my concept of normality was off centre too...I suppose that it was just a matter of not really getting a chance to examine many erect penises other than in porn which, internet-wise, is generally US-made and involves circumcised fellows. Hence my fear of my frenulum being some form of deformity...

If I had of known I had phimosis I would probably not have this problem right now.

Just figured I'd leave a comment on this one ... the words "common sense" definitely apply. TBH til a few days ago I'd never encountered smegma or anything like that, and I noticed it vanished after I submerged and retracted. Good stuff, eh.


I really was expecting some vast struggle or immense the type of intricate, fiddly, minute detail sort of affair that always botch but basically it was just submerge, furl back, sorted.

There is no doubt that it is a simpler process than a circumcision and the gory aftermath.

Question: do you find that the first time you try to retract it (when flaccid, in my case) on a given day, it's quite tight; but after a couple of retractions, it loosens up quickly? If I've stretched it a couple of times that day, when it's flaccid it's basically normal, just a wee bit tight around the widest part.

Yes I had noticed this actually. Normally the first time of the day it is a little too tight for me to stand for long but a few folds later and I can probably leave it there for a little while with any fear of any great discomfort.

I was a little bit squeemish at first and generally tried to get it back around as soon as possible but now I sort of linger a bit. Did you find it rather strange to have areas of you that you had never seen before exposed on/in a part of yourself you have (presumably) paid quite a bit of attention to as well? For me it was pretty bizarre...

6:10 AM  
Anonymous anonymous said...

I was a little bit squeemish at first and generally tried to get it back around as soon as possible but now I sort of linger a bit. Did you find it rather strange to have areas of you that you had never seen before exposed on/in a part of yourself you have (presumably) paid quite a bit of attention to as well? For me it was pretty bizarre...

Yeah, definitely. I'm no fan of penes, to be honest, but compared to the couple of others I've seen (in passing .. one involves a fairly funny story) I figured mine ain't too ugly. When I retracted it the first time, though, I spent about two minutes looking at it in a sort of "huh" kind of mood. Getting used to it, though. Not sure how my girlfriend will react, though, but hopefully she won't mind too much...

7:47 AM  
Blogger Revamp said...

Yeah, definitely. I'm no fan of penes, to be honest, but compared to the couple of others I've seen (in passing .. one involves a fairly funny story) I figured mine ain't too ugly. When I retracted it the first time, though, I spent about two minutes looking at it in a sort of "huh" kind of mood. Getting used to it, though. Not sure how my girlfriend will react, though, but hopefully she won't mind too much...

Yeah...There really is quite a lot under there, I was very suprised at it. I could definetely grow accustomed to it too though. I am sure that your girlfriend will not respond in horror or anything...If she makes a wisecrack though be sure to share it so I can prepare our fellow sufferers for the worst. ;)

So what is this funny story then?

5:27 PM  
Anonymous anonymous said...

If she makes a wisecrack though be sure to share it so I can prepare our fellow sufferers for the worst. ;)

LOL. Would, but she's not the type to joke about that, though if she looks on in alarm I'll let you know!

So what is this funny story then?

Perhaps I over-hyped when I said "funny". "Mildly amusing, maybe" is more appropriate. Basically, an old roommate of mine - bit of an arse - left his phone out in the front room one time. Being the inquisitive fellow I am, I took a look, and found a few pictures of his member. Hung like a horse, but it was bleedin' ugly! So I shouted, "I have WELL got a nicer dick than you!!" .. forgetting he was in the next room. He never mentioned it, so I doubt he heard, but still. Funny. Maybe.

5:52 PM  
Blogger Revamp said...

LOL. Would, but she's not the type to joke about that, though if she looks on in alarm I'll let you know!

LOL, good luck there... I am sure it will be fine.

Perhaps I over-hyped when I said "funny". "Mildly amusing, maybe" is more appropriate. Basically, an old roommate of mine - bit of an arse - left his phone out in the front room one time. Being the inquisitive fellow I am, I took a look, and found a few pictures of his member. Hung like a horse, but it was bleedin' ugly! So I shouted, "I have WELL got a nicer dick than you!!" .. forgetting he was in the next room. He never mentioned it, so I doubt he heard, but still. Funny. Maybe.

LOL! Maybe he was just unwilling to confront you over it because he knew it was true...

It is probably better to be nice looking and small, IMO, although how could you tell? Was there some kind of scale?

6:21 PM  
Anonymous anon. said...

It is probably better to be nice looking and small, IMO, although how could you tell? Was there some kind of scale?

Good news for me then! LOL. Nah, no specific scale, just judging based on surrounding body, etc. That and he used to walk around in boxers with a lump down by his knees. The bastard.

1:45 AM  
Blogger Revamp said...

Good news for me then! LOL. Nah, no specific scale, just judging based on surrounding body, etc. That and he used to walk around in boxers with a lump down by his knees. The bastard.

LOL! Oh well...

One has to wonder why he had pics of himself on his phone though.

7:04 AM  
Anonymous squiggle said...

Back after a brief break from the net, and with a name with which I shall consistently identify myself in future!

One has to wonder why he had pics of himself on his phone though.

I only assume, of course, it was his. He also had one of his girlfriend in tacky underwear. I figure she took the photo of his member, anyway.

I figured, anyway, I'd give you an update on a fellow sufferer's condition. I've been having a go at what appears to me to be your method, i.e., a different kind of masturbation. Kinda tricky. Til tonight, my method has been simply gripping around the base of the glans and 'pumping', as you described, but moving the foreskin with my hand. New method: holding the shaft and getting pleasure from the foreskin's motion, and pulling it back as far as it will comfortably go. Would be much easier with an extra half-inch to work with, but still. Feels damn good, just tricky. Is this similar to your method? Yeah, anyway, no real progress .. even when flaccid, if I pull it back over the glans it's visibly too tight.

I figure I'll give it a few weeks, and if no luck, go to the doctor's for some advice. I was told that in some cases, steroid creams can be used to loosen it up.

12:16 PM  
Anonymous Paul B. said...

I should point out an observation that may interest you.

You have to ask why people develop the various problems which are supposed to make a non-retractile foreskin (so) undesirable, particularly the matters of infections and smegma.

I have come to the conclusion that (apart from sexually-transmitted diseases and smoking, which are regarded as being the main causes of cancer as well), these two problems are the result of inappropriate attempts to "clean" under the foreskin using soap.

If you have a foreskin that does not retract, but have not tried to "clean" under it with soap, I suspect you will have a minimum of smegma, and are very unlikely indeed to develop an "infection" which is primarily the result of irritation from soap, particularly when this is not adequately cleaned away again - which of course, you cannot do very easily if you cannot retract the foreskin (though a mobile shower head could be very effective)

And that irritation is I suggest, also the cause of the excess smegma production.

Of course, not only does a non-retractile foreskin not inhibit masturbation (rather the opposite in fact), but by my acquaintance it does not seem to cause too much difficulty with intercourse either. The only problem would seem to be when it almost retracts and becomes painful if pulled forcefully to that point.

11:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pain you feel in the glans is the natural result of it having so little exposure to air.

Things could improve if you could manage to actually get that foreskin back and get longer air exposure.

Anyone with a relatively tight phimosis is capable of having the foreskin swell badly if retracted and left behind the glans. It is quite likely that this swelling would stop being a problem with time. There has been almost too much tendency to completely discourage much exposure of the glans because of the potential for some of the paraphimosis problem.

I experienced a bit of it during my first prolonged exposure of the glans. The very first time it was exposed it was painful. I pushed the foreskin back forward after it swelled. I retried later with no problem. I was actually able to wear the foreskin either behind the glans or over it, Eventually (30 years later) I had a circumcision. Removing the extra skin that would either bunch up or do the "gliding action bit" provided netter more direct contact with the coronal ridge and the sulcus area behind the corona.

It was a real benefit.

6:49 PM  
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